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	<title>Comments on: Fellow Californians: Vote &#8220;No&#8221; on Discrimination</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bryce:  You&#039;re totally right about the US constitution: it&#039;s typically amended only to promote new rights that weren&#039;t previously specified or weren&#039;t relevant in the societies of the time.  That&#039;s not to say that our federal government and our state haven&#039;t passed legislation that hinders the rights of individuals.  Without going back to the major civil rights issues of the last century, here are some big ones related to the issue at hand:

The so-called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Defense of Marriage Act&lt;/a&gt;, signed into law by President Clinton in 1996, states that a legal union is recognized as only that between a man and a woman, thus laying the foundation for future denial of rights to same-sex partnerships.   

In our state, voters approved &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prop_22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proposition 22&lt;/a&gt;, which changed the language of the California Civil Code to define legally-recognized marriage as that between a man and a woman.  What&#039;s interesting here is that before 1977, the law called marriage &quot;a personal relation arising out of a civil context, to which consent of the parties making that contract is necessary.&quot;  Sounds okay to me.  This was, coincidentally, the first election we were old enough to vote in and I clearly remember voting &quot;no&quot; on this measure.

What&#039;s apparent to me, however, is that this problem will most likely be resolved with time.  Our generation is far more tolerant than that of our grandparents, as evidenced by the absence of segregation.  Their generation was far more tolerant than that of their grandparents, as evidenced by the abolition of slavery.  But I don&#039;t want to be remembered as part of a generation of Californians that voted to write bigotry into the state constitution; unfortunately, there seems to be no place for logic or compassion amongst the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bryce:  You&#8217;re totally right about the US constitution: it&#8217;s typically amended only to promote new rights that weren&#8217;t previously specified or weren&#8217;t relevant in the societies of the time.  That&#8217;s not to say that our federal government and our state haven&#8217;t passed legislation that hinders the rights of individuals.  Without going back to the major civil rights issues of the last century, here are some big ones related to the issue at hand:</p>
<p>The so-called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act" rel="nofollow">Defense of Marriage Act</a>, signed into law by President Clinton in 1996, states that a legal union is recognized as only that between a man and a woman, thus laying the foundation for future denial of rights to same-sex partnerships.   </p>
<p>In our state, voters approved <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prop_22" rel="nofollow">Proposition 22</a>, which changed the language of the California Civil Code to define legally-recognized marriage as that between a man and a woman.  What&#8217;s interesting here is that before 1977, the law called marriage &#8220;a personal relation arising out of a civil context, to which consent of the parties making that contract is necessary.&#8221;  Sounds okay to me.  This was, coincidentally, the first election we were old enough to vote in and I clearly remember voting &#8220;no&#8221; on this measure.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s apparent to me, however, is that this problem will most likely be resolved with time.  Our generation is far more tolerant than that of our grandparents, as evidenced by the absence of segregation.  Their generation was far more tolerant than that of their grandparents, as evidenced by the abolition of slavery.  But I don&#8217;t want to be remembered as part of a generation of Californians that voted to write bigotry into the state constitution; unfortunately, there seems to be no place for logic or compassion amongst the electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that gets me the most is amending the constitution to remove rights.  I just brushed up on my constitutional amendments to double check (US - I know this is for the state, but i think the purposes are the same), and THE ONLY other amendment that said a CITIZEN COULD NOT do something was No. 18, prohibition, and that was repealed in the end.  All other amendments say citizens CAN DO this or that, or clarifies a process or says the gov&#039;t can&#039;t do something to a citizen.  LIke I said, I am pretty sure the state constitution is based on the same principles, and so using it to remove rights is preposterous!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that gets me the most is amending the constitution to remove rights.  I just brushed up on my constitutional amendments to double check (US &#8211; I know this is for the state, but i think the purposes are the same), and THE ONLY other amendment that said a CITIZEN COULD NOT do something was No. 18, prohibition, and that was repealed in the end.  All other amendments say citizens CAN DO this or that, or clarifies a process or says the gov&#8217;t can&#8217;t do something to a citizen.  LIke I said, I am pretty sure the state constitution is based on the same principles, and so using it to remove rights is preposterous!!</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I worry that this is going to pass like the other props similar to it. I don&#039;t understand why people let the whole gay marriage thing intrude on their own lifestyles so much. The arguments in favor just don&#039;t make any sense if you look at the legalities of it, and also at what is already being taught in schools right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I worry that this is going to pass like the other props similar to it. I don&#8217;t understand why people let the whole gay marriage thing intrude on their own lifestyles so much. The arguments in favor just don&#8217;t make any sense if you look at the legalities of it, and also at what is already being taught in schools right now.</p>
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